Awesome, awesome, awesome! http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22763082-2,00.html SIXTY-FIVE years after it ran out of gas and crash-landed on a beach in Wales, an American P-38 fighter plane has emerged from the surf and sand. The World War II relic was long forgotten by the US Government and unknown to the British public. During those decades, beach strollers, sunbathers and swimmers were often within a few yards of the aircraft, utterly unaware of its existence just under the sand. Only this past summer did it suddenly reappear due to unusual conditions that caused the sands to shift and erode. The startling revelation of the Lockheed "Lightning" fighter, with its distinctive twin-boom design, has stirred considerable interest in British aviation circles and among officials of the country's aircraft museums, ready to reclaim yet another artifact from history's greatest armed conflict. Ric Gillespie, who heads a US-based nonprofit group dedicated to preserving historic aircraft, finds romance as well as historic significance in the discovery. "It's sort of like 'Brigadoon,' the mythical Scottish village that appears and disappears," he said. "Although the Welsh aren't too happy about that analogy - they have some famous legends of their own." Mr Gillespie's organisation, the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery, known as TIGHAR, learned of the plane's existence in September from a British air history enthusiast and sent a seven-member team to survey the site last month. It plans to collaborate with British museum experts in recovering the nearly intact but fragile aircraft next spring. The Imperial War Museum Duxford and the Royal Air Force Museum are among the institutions expressing interest. "The difficult part is to keep such a dramatic discovery secret. Looting of historic wrecks, aircraft or ships, is a major problem, in Britain as it is worldwide," Mr Gillespie said. British aviation publications so far have been circumspect about disclosing the exact location, and local Welsh authorities have agreed to keep the plane under surveillance whenever it is exposed by the tides of the Irish Sea, he said. Based on its serial number and other records, "the fighter is arguably the oldest P-38 in existence, and the oldest surviving 8th Air Force combat aircraft of any type. In that respect it's a major find, of exceptional interest to British and American aviation historians," Mr Gillespie said. Officially, the US Air Force considers any aircraft lost before November 19, 1961 - when a fire destroyed many records - as "formally abandoned," and has an interest in such cases only if human remains are involved. The twin-engine P-38, a radical design conceived by Lockheed design genius Clarence "Kelly" Johnson in the late 1930s, became one of the war's most successful fighter planes, serving in Europe and the Pacific. Some 10,000 were built, and about 32 complete or partial airframes are believed to still exist, perhaps 10 in flying condition. Another P-38, part of a "lost squadron" of warplanes marooned by bad weather in Greenland while being flown to Europe in 1942, was recovered and extensively restored with new parts. Dubbed "Glacier Girl," its attempt to complete the flight to Britain earlier this year was thwarted by mechanical problems. 'Belly landing' The Wales Lightning, built in 1941, reached Britain in early 1942 and flew combat missions along the Dutch-Belgian coast. Second Lt. Robert F. "Fred" Elliott, 24, of Rich Square, North Carolina, was on a gunnery practice mission on Sept. 27, 1942, when a fuel supply error forced him to make an emergency landing on the nearest suitable place - the Welsh beach. His belly landing in shallow water sheared off a wingtip, but Elliott escaped unhurt. Less than three months later, the veteran of more than 10 combat missions was shot down over Tunisia, in North Africa. His plane and body were never found. The discovery in Wales was stunning news for Robert Elliott, 64, of Blountville, Tennessee, the pilot's nephew and only surviving relative, who has spent nearly 30 years trying to learn more about his namesake's career and death. All he knew of the Wales incident was a one-line entry saying Elliott had "ditched a P-38 and was uninjured," he said. "From the time my uncle was shot down in December 1942 until 1978 we knew nothing. So this is just a monumental discovery, and a very emotional thing," said Mr Elliott, an engineering consultant. He said he hopes to be present for the recovery. Mr Gillespie, who last summer led TIGHAR's ninth expedition since 1989 to search a remote South Pacific island for clues to the 1937 disappearance of famed aviator Amelia Earhart, said the P-38 case is unusual because the crash site is in a populated area. "This just never happens like this," he said. "They're always in the most inaccessible places." As the disabled P-38 could not be flown out, "American officers had the guns removed, and the records say the aircraft was salvaged, but it wasn't," Mr Gillespie said. "It was gradually covered with sand, and there it sat for 65 years. With censorship in force and British beaches closed to the public during the war, nobody knew it was there." It was first spotted by a family enjoying a day at the beach on July 31. British authorities said it probably was an unmanned drone used for aerial target practice from the 1950s, but a local aviation enthusiast recognized it from a local newspaper photo as a Lockheed P-38. That person notified TIGHAR, which "quickly and quietly" organised a team to visit the site. Due to the threat of looting, "we saw it as an aviation preservation emergency," Mr Gillespie said. He said that since the survey in October, the sands have again buried the plane, and "whether and when it will reappear is anybody's guess." David Morris, curator of aircraft at Britain's Fleet Air Army Museum, called the P-38 "an exciting discovery" that merited a careful approach to "make sure that the aircraft stands the best chance of survival." Mr Gillespie, whose father flew 25 bomber missions from England during the war, said his team found some British still feel "a strong feeling of gratitude" toward the young Americans who did that. "That's very much a part of British history, and among people we talked to, this is not just an American plane," he said. "As the lady proprietor of our hotel said when she saw a photo of the plane on my computer screen, 'that's one of ours."'
Cheers for that Andy. I'd heard snippets a week or so ago but at that time neither photo or the details had been released. The aircraft in question was 41-7677 of 49th Squadron who were based at Atcham. However, there is a problem with Elliot's death. The ABMC entry states 1943: Robert F. Elliott Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army Air Forces Service # O-394428 49th Fighter Squadron, 14th Fighter Group Entered the Service from: North Carolina Died: 5-Dec-43 Missing in Action or Buried at Sea Tablets of the Missing at North Africa American Cemetery Carthage, Tunisia Awards: Air Medal, Purple Heart But this is not the first time that the ABMC has got it wrong. They have been severally criticised in the States recently for inaccurracies and for the slowness of their work in finishing their database. It seems it should be 5th Dec 1942, as he was one of three from the 49th FS killed that day. http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_125145/printable.htm The other two are correct on the ABMC.
Some good details discussued on this forum, including a picture and bio of Elliott: http://www.warbirdinformationexchan...p=162124&sid=fa05678e892a95a36b7d4b9a5ae7ef1f
Interesting story, hope they recover the plane and it gets restored. I wonder what beach it was found on.
I much clearer picture (same as the above link but higher resolution). They'd better get a move on because that aircraft is in serious trouble. The levels of corrosion is evident and they will only get worse now that they are exposed to the air. And as it was stripped of a lot of its equipment before being left one wonders whether it will be seen as economically viable to rescue it.
Only way she can be saved is to recover her. It may not be economically viable to fully restore her as she may be too far gone but she'd still make an impressive display "as found". The Italians did a bloody good job with the only surviving P-40L. She is totally unrestored but standing on her gear so there's hope for this old girl...the timetable in the above link seems too long for my liking.
Have mixed feelings about a non-UK based organisation taking on the responsibility of recovery and/or restoration but anyway: Maid of Harlech
Sadly, if it takea an outside organisation to come and restore it, then so it will be. I am afraid that most wreckcovery teams in Britian would not have the funds to carryout such a task. In addition, the P38 was never used by the RAF.
Unfortunately, the group operating as the "experts" have a rather unenviable claim that they have found Amelia Earhart's aircraft...but have no proof.
